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I don’t know why God did what He did. We don’t choose what we believe. ( Log Out /  Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are even referred to by Jesus Himself as living people in Matthew 22:32, Mark 12:26-27, and Luke 20:37-38. When God described to us creation he wasn't forced to give us details, but God did us details. He claimed it was meant to be literal (challenge: prove him wrong), so every factual inaccuracy thus invalidates the entire Bible, thus destroys all biblical religion. You have a supposed account of six ’24 hour days’ yet the sun was not created until the 3rd day which would make the first 2 days impossible or, at best, very improbable. Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a … Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. First off, let’s look at the internal contradictions of chapter 1 if we take it to be a historical narrative. Why not? He held that if the eternity of the universe (what we would call the Steady State theory) could be proven by logic (science) then the biblical passages speaking about creation at a point in time could and should be interpreted fig… But, that certainly does not mean there is no truth. In Genesis 1:24, we have man being created after all other animals. I know that there is no formal position on if Creation in Genesis is to be taken literally or not. Letter from Professor James Barr to David C.C. wrong!” & the burden of proof is on us to explain why a god would lie/expressthingsthatway (after all, adults of the Bronze Age were smarter than children of today, yet children of today are taught science). Change ). Is it unbiblical that God grounds moral goodness? You don’t. Again, if Adam is only metaphorical, if Adam was nonexistent, if Adam was not a real person, what are we to think of all the other people in this genealogical line? Hello readers, literal or allegorical? poetry or figurative language is a no-no. ( Log Out /  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/day, Incorporating Adam and Eve With Evolution. This is all well-and-good given/assuming that the Bible is true/infallible (if it is not… Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Re: Genesis: Literal or Contextual? Does it say that Genesis is not a parable? Genesis 1:11-12 states, “Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. I guessed perhaps that the Bronze Age contemporaries held a paradigm that would make another explanation unpalatable, in addition to the monotheism. This helps us to see that the properly literal meaning of a text need not be the same as the meaning that lies on the surface. Where is the flaw in the argument against a "metaphoric reading of Genesis"? It is right to allow exploration and to suggest some possible nonliteral explanations.Dogma is appropriate for some matters of faith, such as “God is the Creator,” but not for a 144-hour interpretation of Genesis 1. Learning to read according to the right genre is key to understanding what the Bible has to say to us today. In the Middle Ages, Saadia Gaon argued that a biblical passage should not be interpreted literally if that made a passage mean something contrary to the senses or reason (or, as we would say, science; Emunot ve-Deot, chapter 7). General interests in apologetics and philosophy. However, what if you do not assume the Bible is true? What does this mean for our interpretation of Genesis 1—3? Twitter feed. Image © NASA, ESA, and the Hubble Heritage Team (STScI/AURA)-ESA/Hubble Collaboration, no evidence whatsoever for Darwinian Evolution, http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/best-selling-book-of-non-fiction. Play nice and we won't delete your comment. And the evening and the morning were the first day. So talking about Washington crossing the Delaware is literal. Anyhow, what are your thoughts? For Collins, Genesis 1–11 is historical in the sense that the events recorded within it actually happened. For instance, Genesis 1:20 claims (KJV) that the sea “brings forth” the “moving creatures that hath life” yet, in the very next verse, Genesis 1:21 claims God supernaturally made every animal- “God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth.” There seems to be a contradiction within these two accounts. He dismissed all of this. The Genesis Record, p. 97. terrorist communication, etc, etc. A similar genealogy is provided in Genesis 5, from Adam to Noah, making it clear that not only did Luke want his book to be taken as history, but the author of Genesis desired that his book be understood in the same manner -- as a historical narrative. Had a discussion with an atheist. He can pick any place where God/author says/writes something that is not scientifically accurate & say “there! How could these plants and vegetations “come forth” in 24 hours? For those that don’t think Genesis is literal, how would this affect the doctrine of original sin? You’re swayed one way or another by things outside of yourself.” Of course, this is irrelevant to the argument. To take Genesis as non-literal is to open it up to endless fantastic interpretations. Genesis 1:3 – And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Is Genesis 1 a Literal Account of Creation? EVIDENCE EVIDENCE EVIDENCE! Yet, in an interesting paradox, if the God of scripture exists, the Big Bang cannot be completely accurate, given God's own clear account of His creation in the book of Genesis. In order for a person to accept evolution as the beginning of creation it is necessary for one to first reject God's words which describe in detail how it was done. Why not? Or, just do an internet search on “ … I've been on the fence about Genesis for ages. What then? But it is clear that we cannot require a strictly literal reading. ( Log Out /  What if the burden of proof is on us to prove the Bible is true? Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Genesis 1:5 – And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. Maimonides applied this principle to theories about creation. The common belief regarding the first chapter of Genesis is that it points to a literal seven day creation, and that God rested on that literal seventh day, after completing day six. Also, there is a lot of controversy over the Hebrew word yom which Genesis 1 uses for “day.” And, as i’ve done some research on this word, it seems clear to me that we do not have to take this to be a literal 24 hour day (though it is used for that purpose other times in the OT). Some of the most well-known Rabi’s and church fathers throughout history have written about this allegorical interpretation– namely, 4th century Saint Augustine, 1st century Philo, and 3rd century Origen of Alexandria. You also have a contradiction between the chronological order of how man and woman were made– man and woman being created simultaneously in Genesis 1:27, while in Genesis 2:18-22 you have man created first, then woman second. Some people at this point would interject that all you need for a day is to have “light” and “darkness” which were made in the first day, but this goes against the very definition of what a day is: “the interval of light between two successive nights; the time between sunrise and sunset” via http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/day. Here are five mistakes to avoid in teaching Genesis to children. Why not say “I created the sun, which gives light to the Earth in the day” not all this weird out of order, highly figurative stuff. However, when read in its context, the literary genre of Genesis 1 should be understood as a historical a… He claims that even 1 error in the Bible invalidates the entire religion. Arguments and Evidence – Should an Argument Be Considered “Evidence”? You also have an internal contradiction on how God formed both plants and animals. I’ll just quickly highlight a couple that standout: Why did God choose to write Genesis 1 & 2 the way He did? I told him, “hey, if it was not for the Holy Spirit working on my heart, I’d probably be an agnostic atheist too, man. These works had included such ideas as taking the days of Genesis 1 as 7 epochs of redemptive-historical history, and 7 stages of the Christian life.De Genesis contra Manichaeos 1.23.35-1.25.43, in Augustine, On Genesis, 62-68. Anyone that knows anything about plantation or gardening  knows that it takes months for plants and vegetation to fully grow. Why would God use a human-made construct of time to create all of time and matter? Note that Prof. Barr does not claim to believe that Genesis is historically true; he is just telling us what, in his … Genesis is nonliteral. The Creation of Adam | Michelangelo. 47 comments. A literal version of the first eleven chapters of Genesis is foundational to the rest of the Bible. ‘If Christians don’t believe in a literal Genesis, they have no foundation for their doctrine’ Creationist Ken Ham discusses his belief in a 6,000-year-old Earth, what might have happened if Noah ‘had swatted those two mosquitoes’ and why he views the Bible’s opening 11 chapters as so important. If those people had the capacity to understand a truthful creation story, why use one that is so flawed/illogical/nonsense? Secondly, lets look at the contradictions between the two creation accounts of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. The contradictions alone should tell us to abandon the historical narrative view of Genesis 1. A similar genealogy is provided in Genesis 5, from Adam to Noah, making it clear that not only did Luke want his book to be taken as history, but the author of Genesis desired that his book be understood in the same manner -- as a historical narrative. This is why I believe that the day-age Genesis one interpretation is the only biblically sound interpretation for the creation of the world and life on it. Some of the most well-known Rabi’s and church fathers throughout history have written about this allegorical interpretation– namely, 4th century Saint Augustine, 1st century Philo, and 3rd century Origen of Alexandria. “Christians are Retarded” and Other Stupid Things People Say, On Interacting With Street Epistemologists, A Manual for Creating [totally unreasonable] Atheists, Consider the Following – Ham Vs Nye Debate. Read Romans 5, a comparison between Jesus and Adam. The topic of whether we should take Genesis 1 to be literal or allegorical can be traced back for centuries. The Bible is meant to be a book of teaching for Christians so in order to do this; stories may have to be altered in order to be interpreted in such a way to enable someone to be a good Christian To conclude I believe Genesis is ancient literature. He then claimed that the burden of proof was on me to explain why God wouldn’t just tell the truth when it came to these matters. Lets look at the accounts found with in Genesis and its literal aspects; GEN 2:4 This is the - account - of the heavens and the earth when they were created. That is why both Jews and Christians have historically taken it as literal. There are patterns and symbols throughout the Bible, from the life of Moses to the life of David to the life of Jesus, all of which are equally literal and symbolic. Profanity is prohibited, along with any kind of threat, But, is this true? Why explain “God made matter & energy, singularity, big bang, form stars, stars make elements, make planets, our star is the source of light & energy for our planet, formed over billions of years, life, speciation, etc.” vs the Genesis 1 & 2 accounts of creation. Two last quick notes- It seems somewhat absurd that God would create the earth in six literal 24-hour days when, in reality, units of time such as “hours,” “days,” and “weeks” are merely human constructs to measure time. If Adam and Eve weren’t literal, it seems the ramifications would tear at the doctrine of original sin and make it not literal … To further support this view many Christians don’t even take the bible as a literal interpretation. If Genesis is not literal, though, why bother providing the reader with specific measurements for the ark or the genealogies of people who never existed? One would have to appeal to some miraculous intervention by God for this to be so, but then that wouldn’t be taking the “literal” or “face value” meaning of the text. Genesis 1:4 – And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. None of the interpretations of Genesis 1 has explained everything. Sometimes there is not literal truth. It just doesn't make sense to me. Because the purpose of Moses in writing Genesis was not to produce a paean of praise as here, but to create a reliable literal historic record, and to do so he wrote in Hebrew prose. The literal, clearly indicated, meaning of yom for Genesis one must be an unspecified, long period of time. Yet, in Genesis 2:18-19, we have man being created before all other animals. Quite simply, it keeps our attention on the communication act between Moses and the generation of Israelites he led into the Sinai desert. Love genetics, evolutionary biology and the biomedical sciences. ( Log Out /  Watson of the UK, dated 23 April 1984. Thus we see that when the Christian regards the evidence in its proper context, internal and external, Genesis must be taken literally because of the impossibility of the contrary. If not, does it say anything at all about what Genesis is? In Luke 3, the "beloved physician" Luke provides a Genealogy of Jesus including his step-father Joseph, King David, his father Jesse, Boaz (husband of Ruth), Judah, Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Shem, Noah, Seth, and (yes) Adam. To answer that, we should remember that the original readers of Genesis were not scientists or Hebrew scholars. How we do respond to non-believers who claim that any problem in Genesis anywhere then invalidates the whole Bible, thus destroying Christianity? -there is some figurative language used throughout including anthropomorphic statements as if God is actually “speaking,” “seeing,” and “feeling” like humans do. Meaning, God never actually rests which would be a metaphorical set-up for practicing the Sabbath. The high level of (supposed) figurative and pictorial language means that the passage, therefore, should not be seen as literal. Future Doctor. Given his out-of-hand dismissal of any of my speculation (as well as any of my analogies, and ofc he won’t let go of any of his assumptions or framework behind his logic). (He claims my assertions or speculations about “God/Master vs Man/Dog” or “explain it to an ant” or “the squirrel cannot fathom the blue whale” etc., but he rejects all “appeals to ignorance” or “God’s ways are a mystery to us”.) Incorporating Adam and Eve With Evolution, Introduction Post (reNewedAtheist) – On atheists’ beliefs and the redefinition of “atheism”. Are they also metaphorical or nonexistent? Just Give Me Evidence! Sometimes there is literal truth. Biochemistry and Molecular Biology student. cientific discoveries in geology, cosmology, and biology have forced Christians to change their interpretation in order to find harmony with science. Take a look at how one scholar discusses the relationship between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. How about this, Tim? Is God not free, therefore not morally perfect? The question needs to be asked, if Genesis is an allegory or a parable does it say it is? If God is both transcendent and immanent—and far beyond us in creativity— we should expect that there are numberless things built into the creation and its history that uniquely reveal Hi… -the sun and moon are commanded to “rule” over the day and night (v. 16 and 18) as if referring to animate people. Having now read points 3 and 4 of my conditions, and having read my opinion on evolution, it should be clear what my stance is: Genesis is not literal history. I hope you're not equating volume of sales with truth? He focused in particular on Genesis 1 where God made light before ever making the sun, which of course doesn’t make logical/chronological sense. Hosea 6:2 uses the same word in the same sort of setting and it is undoubtedly used in a metaphorical way. What I mean by “literal” and “nonliteral” is fairly distinct. Moreover, by and large, the objections to Genesis 1 being understood as a straightforward historical account are primarily driven by the desire to make it fit with an evolutionary view of the world. Get out your Bibles and be prepared for a shock. There are numerous reasons why we should doubt Genesis 1 is a historical narrative. It is both real and symbolic. My only request is that you pray for spiritual guidance, since the Holy Spirit can teach us what our pride usually rejects. Return to text. kind of thing. But, is this true? 2 thoughts on “ Why Genesis 1 is Not Literal ” McFarvo May 26, 2015 at 4:41 am. What makes these patterns so fascinating is that they are actually embedded in real history. The difficulties involved in literalism show that the account is not intended strictly literally. Copy held by the author. Yet in our eagerness to bring the intriguing stories of Genesis to life, we often get it wrong. Some like to interject that recent scientific discoveries in geology, cosmology, and biology have forced Christians to change their interpretation in order to find harmony with science. The reason for understanding Genesis figuratively stems from three reasons each to be addressed in turn: 1) there are two distinct creation accounts; 2) Genesis 1 contains semi-poetic language, while Genesis 2 reads like a narrative; and 3) the genealogies in Genesis are not necessarily a literal transcription of familial lineage. The Lord of the Rings has sold many, many copies. I conjectured that God thought His accounts to be the most suitable vehicles for delivering the truly important facts that 1) God exists, 2) God created, 3) Man sinned, etc. Equally obvious is the fact that Genesis is not written in this style. Without a literal interpretation of the Creation account, the fall of Adam, and the flood during the days of Noah the rest of Scripture is just nonsense. In addition to being added to this page, your comment will also show up in our I pointed out his a priori assumptions of “God’s actions must be rational to us” or “our logic is infallible” or “if I was God, I’d do XYZ; God did not do XYZ, therefore God is not good or not real” etc., I pointed out the assumption that “one must always be literal when possible & as accurate to reality as possible always” i.e. In response, the phrase here is actually b e yom, an idiomatic expression meaning "when" (NIV, NRSV, NAB; cp. Please leave a comment. Related. Biblical creationists often refer to their interpretation of Genesis 1 as “literal.” However, because of the caricature and negative connotations with this label, it is better to describe it as a grammatical-historical interpretation. In the aftermath of my review of the Bill Nye vs. Ken Ham Debate, I’ve been explaining why a pastor is not a 6-day creationist.I reject Young Earth Creationism not because I have any expertise in science (I most assuredly don’t), but because I don’t read Genesis 1-11 as a historical, scientific account of the creation of the world. -the seventh day God rests as a pure act. the non-literal reading of Genesis is just as false as the metaphorical one. He claimed that’s eisegesis (not exegesis), the burden of proof was on me, I can’t use strawmen, I can’t appeal to ignorance, I can’t have confirmation bias, I can’t cherrypick what is literal vs non-literal to ad hoc explain/rationalize. Oh, we might get the literal facts right, but we can easily miss the mark on interpretation and application. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed after their kind, and trees bearing fruit with seed in them, after their kind; and God saw that it was good.” Now, the reason this is odd is because this verse is implying that the earth “brought” these things forth within this single day of creation. They’re reporting an event as factual history that happened. Before we answer the question, it’s helpful to recall that there are two ways of understanding creation (or two “levels” of creation). This is all well-and-good given/assuming that the Bible is true/infallible (if it is not, then there is no reason to cling to it). It seems to me that the best understanding of Genesis is that it is a theological polemic in response to ancient near eastern cosmogonies. The assumption here is that after the seventh day God resumed his work, although many of today’s religious teachers promulgate that God is still resting. Of course, symbolic images in dreams or visions do occur within the story - but they are usually interpreted immediately in the text itself. Genesis 1: 9 ‘And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered in one place, and let dry ground appear” and it was so.’ Not much to say here, we have the waters under the sky being gathered, presumably talking about oceans, though this notably leaves out water under the ground i.e. Rather, they were former slaves—mostly uneducated— on their way to … I was primarily talking about genetics, biological evolution, saying that God had no good reason to spend time crafting a scientific manual explaining these processes & facts when they are largely irrelevant (and certainly non-essential) to the narrative of God, Man, Sin, Israel, Gospel. In other words, the Big Bang can only be true if the God of scripture exists. The Apostle Paul compares Jesus to Adam in the book of Romans, chapter 5, verses 12-21, and in such a fashion that if Adam were not a real man, one would have to conclude that Christ were not either. You are about to read the Genesis creation account and see (probably) for the first time what the text really says. Far from it. But, we can go further– looking into the literary devices used in Genesis 1 that can make a positive case for an allegorical interpretation. Wit… How about you write up your "disproof" of Darwinian Evolution in a paper, get it published in a reputable, peer-reviewed journal, then sit back and wait for the Nobel Prize that you so obviously richly deserve, all the while enjoying the silence as every single atheist in the world shuts their trap. The Problems for Literal, Chronological Days The first common objection is, "Genesis 2:4 speaks of the entire creation week as a 'day,' showing that 'day' may not be literal." It is real in that it describes events that truly took place but symbolic in that it does not recount an exact scientific and historical rendering of events. TDOT 6:15). If Christians don't read Genesis 1-11 as literal, scientific or historical documents, does this undermine the reliability of the Bible? Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. I don’t. We can also look at Genesis 1:11-12 to see some uncanny things happening if this is a historical narrative. If Genesis is literal, how do you reconcile that with science (age of the earth, etc?) If there was no REAL Adam and Eve, then there was no REAL "disobeying god" then there was no REAL "sin", so, there is no reason for a savior to save people from something that did not actually happen. 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